I have so often said about the SBC what Robby said--if you were so wrong on something of such consequence, where would you get the unmitigated gall to be so rigid and arrogant in your theology? Pu-lease. What a great conversation!
Listening to you all talk about being asked to leave churches caught me by surprise. My "spiritual awakening" started in 2001. Around 2011 I began to realize women seemed to be missing and I was completely confused. It took all the way to 2021 for me to have taken in enough information to recognize I was in a "deconstruction". I think Beth Allison Barr's book kicked that off. I started reading or following author's podcasts about all this spiritual abuse trauma that is being experienced. But I still did not grasp the widespread force that is happening until today. I have been following a bit the SBC meeting, and I know for a fact I can never be in a complementarian church. I've started listening to a lot of Kadi Cole, she is brilliant. I am encouraged by all the women teaching in the Seminary Now offerings. But finding enough in church leadership seems like it will not happen fast enough. Churches can't keep running women off. What I'm hoping for is they have enough money to start churches. They are earning and will inherit a lot in the next few years. I'm hoping for a big breakthrough from their leading and can start to ignore what is clearly wrong.
I found this installment of the Convocation very interesting as my wife and I have been through a similar transition starting about 60years ago. Ours started with more of a feeling that many members of our "church" were very hypocritical about the walk vs the talk. When I was Married (66 years ago) my church (denomination) would not accept my wife because she had not been immersed but had been "sprinkled. So we left and became a non attender,but, did NOT leave our religion only our denomination . A few years later, having children, we both felt a need to return to worship. We returned to a denomination that would be considered liturgical, and fell in love with that type of worship and the apparent openness to doubt and hard questions. About 30 years ago my wife became friends a clergy person who was interested on Benedictine Spirituality and attended a retreat on "the rule". Both of us experienced this as a way to follow our faith on a well worn, realistic path. Now we are followers of an ancient way of life that is almost older than the Church itself, is more concerned with how to live rather than how to believe. Additionally thanks to the openness of our denomination we have the privilege of worshiping in a manner which gives us comfort and healing.
We both look upon this as a lifelong spiritual journey that continues daily. She a Methodist now Episcopalian. Me American Baptist and for the last 20 years Episcopal Deacon
My mom's theology in tumultuous racial Era. My mom said 'we need to mix up the blood over Trump they poison our blood, they are vermin ect. I honor my father today who respected all people. Gay, women, Jewish, atheist, black,Hispanic, undocumented, Aisan, Hindu, Muslim,Buddhist, Indigenous ect. I prefer this over hate incited Charlie Kirk, Trump, Republicans, Franklin Graham ect. My parents were something else. I grieve the lost of life this weekend in Galveston Juneteenth celebration. VOTE OUT Republicans hate.
My awareness as a comfortable child of God was shaken when my pastor, Buckner Fanning invited Keith Miller to bring three laymen from Kerrville to talk about their relationship with Christ. My husband and I went. I primarily went to “see these people who had a conversation experience for the first time”. That was is 1963.
So glad you four are providing a map for this journey.
Crew I appreciate the support and empathy you provide “the awakening”. I first began following Diana and associates after my congregation used “Christianity After Religion” as its sabbatical reading selection. I think we, and a much broader community, are ready for Religion After Community. This is evident everywhere in America and the world. Thousands respond to shallow corporate provide, exploitive and extractive mass “religious” experiencing that lift spirits but do not connect people to their planet, each other and expose the systems and people that exploit, extract and destroy our relationship
I have so often said about the SBC what Robby said--if you were so wrong on something of such consequence, where would you get the unmitigated gall to be so rigid and arrogant in your theology? Pu-lease. What a great conversation!
I appreciate the interaction among you. It is encouraging and inspiring.
Listening to you all talk about being asked to leave churches caught me by surprise. My "spiritual awakening" started in 2001. Around 2011 I began to realize women seemed to be missing and I was completely confused. It took all the way to 2021 for me to have taken in enough information to recognize I was in a "deconstruction". I think Beth Allison Barr's book kicked that off. I started reading or following author's podcasts about all this spiritual abuse trauma that is being experienced. But I still did not grasp the widespread force that is happening until today. I have been following a bit the SBC meeting, and I know for a fact I can never be in a complementarian church. I've started listening to a lot of Kadi Cole, she is brilliant. I am encouraged by all the women teaching in the Seminary Now offerings. But finding enough in church leadership seems like it will not happen fast enough. Churches can't keep running women off. What I'm hoping for is they have enough money to start churches. They are earning and will inherit a lot in the next few years. I'm hoping for a big breakthrough from their leading and can start to ignore what is clearly wrong.
👍 I am a dummy with a smart phone, and I can't figure out how to make my like work. So being different it is a thumbs up.🙂
I found this installment of the Convocation very interesting as my wife and I have been through a similar transition starting about 60years ago. Ours started with more of a feeling that many members of our "church" were very hypocritical about the walk vs the talk. When I was Married (66 years ago) my church (denomination) would not accept my wife because she had not been immersed but had been "sprinkled. So we left and became a non attender,but, did NOT leave our religion only our denomination . A few years later, having children, we both felt a need to return to worship. We returned to a denomination that would be considered liturgical, and fell in love with that type of worship and the apparent openness to doubt and hard questions. About 30 years ago my wife became friends a clergy person who was interested on Benedictine Spirituality and attended a retreat on "the rule". Both of us experienced this as a way to follow our faith on a well worn, realistic path. Now we are followers of an ancient way of life that is almost older than the Church itself, is more concerned with how to live rather than how to believe. Additionally thanks to the openness of our denomination we have the privilege of worshiping in a manner which gives us comfort and healing.
We both look upon this as a lifelong spiritual journey that continues daily. She a Methodist now Episcopalian. Me American Baptist and for the last 20 years Episcopal Deacon
Blessings to all on your journey
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I cried listening to Johnny Cash, June Carter. I lost my mom yesterday June 14th. This topic was so needed. 😪😪
Sorry to hear about the loss of your mother! 😢 My condolences 💐
Thank you Vicki.
My mom's theology in tumultuous racial Era. My mom said 'we need to mix up the blood over Trump they poison our blood, they are vermin ect. I honor my father today who respected all people. Gay, women, Jewish, atheist, black,Hispanic, undocumented, Aisan, Hindu, Muslim,Buddhist, Indigenous ect. I prefer this over hate incited Charlie Kirk, Trump, Republicans, Franklin Graham ect. My parents were something else. I grieve the lost of life this weekend in Galveston Juneteenth celebration. VOTE OUT Republicans hate.
My awareness as a comfortable child of God was shaken when my pastor, Buckner Fanning invited Keith Miller to bring three laymen from Kerrville to talk about their relationship with Christ. My husband and I went. I primarily went to “see these people who had a conversation experience for the first time”. That was is 1963.
So glad you four are providing a map for this journey.
Excellent insight. Thank you for your work and for sharing it with believers.
Crew I appreciate the support and empathy you provide “the awakening”. I first began following Diana and associates after my congregation used “Christianity After Religion” as its sabbatical reading selection. I think we, and a much broader community, are ready for Religion After Community. This is evident everywhere in America and the world. Thousands respond to shallow corporate provide, exploitive and extractive mass “religious” experiencing that lift spirits but do not connect people to their planet, each other and expose the systems and people that exploit, extract and destroy our relationship